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Jim Freeman's avatar

China's dominance was pefectly okay when the billionaire class sold out our industrial base for money, and wounded a thriving American middle class in the process. Now China is scapegoated for the very actions that fueled our economic inequality. Can't have it both ways, America, for shooting yourself in the foot and blaming the gun manufacturer.

Josh Rogin's avatar

I basically agree with you that successive administrations created this problem by offshoring our manufacturing and even much of our innovation to China. But I still think we have to address the problem we created. It’s not scapegoating. We have to protect our national security by not being dependent on our adversary and by making sure we win the technology race so the next generation of technology isn’t run by a dictatorship that means us harm. So we created the problem sure. But we still have to fix it. That’s my view.

Jim Freeman's avatar

That's very presumptive, Josh. It presumes China is our 'adversary,' when no such threat has been presented. It further presumes the Chinese dictatorship 'means us harm,' again without evidence. We are China's major market. I see them quietly standing by as we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot. They use investment to further their interests and we use wars, both of the military and tariffs kind.

I understand your position, but who is intimidating whom?

Josh Rogin's avatar

I guess I disagree with you. I see a ton of evidence that the Chinese Commnunist Party (not “China”) is both our adversary and does mean us harm. I wrote a whole book chock full of just such evidence. That doesn’t mean we should go to war or decouple our economies. It’s complicated. But yes, the CCP is our number one adversary and we should just be honest about that, in my opinion. It’s also a genocidal regime that seeks a world order safe for dictatorships, which I am opposed to.

Jim Freeman's avatar

It's good to disagree and stay friends, and I hope we do that. No one ever lost me as a friend because of their political opinions, and the world today has become so intensely good-bad, right-left, and disinterested in conversation that the future is clear only to those who think out of their own box.

You and I are, clearly, not of that tribe and there is a world of truth on each argument. We are friends because we think. That's good enough for me.

Cheers...

Josh Rogin's avatar

Absolutely! I agree 100 percent. Glad to call you my friend and glad to have a intellectual disagreement that’s thoughtful and in good faith and remain friends.

Aris Teon's avatar

You don't need to be adversaries or enemies in order to make yourself stronger economically. Every country should enjoy the freedom to develop its own economy and national security according to the wishes of the electorate.

Jim Freeman's avatar

I agree, Aris, although I feel we are a long way from 'the wishes of the electorate' in our own country. That has been missing, in my experience, for at least the last half-century. At 91, I remember times when we had no national debt, the wealthy paid their taxes, we took care of our veterans, rebuild most of our WWII adveraries, and Harry Truman retired to mow his own lawn.

When people refer to 'the good old days,' very few of them go back that far...